The NEO Body was made by December/The Knight

(Also first post. Hi guys)

I assume many people still think the NEO body was made by Mettaton (even the Wiki still notes he likely made it on his page) but, after what we learned in Chapters 3 & 4, that's just not true. And we know this because of the two Darkners that talk about the NEO Body: Seam and Swatch.

Both of these Darkners are very intimately tied to December. Starting with Seam:

Seam describes the NEO body as the old machine, not an old machine, meaning they were already aware of it. Seam makes a very concerned expression when thinking about the “certain Lightner” that made the NEO body. They almost reveal who they were thinking about then deflect to “just a hunch” at the last second. They know who made it and omitted it for a reason.

Seam is an abandoned plushie in the unused classroom. If it was Mettaton who made the NEO Body then that would mean Mettaton went to this school and was either Seam’s owner or close to their original owner.

That's simply impossible, Asriel has a picture of Seam on his computer which certainly means he either was Seams owner or knew their owner. Mettaton acts like he never even met Kris before the start of the game, so he was not close to Asriel. On the other hand, Dess was very close to Asriel, and she has old yarn and buttons in her box with 0 plushies in her room to use these on. Seam belonged to her.

Now for Swatch (and Queen, and Jevil):

In chapter 3, we learned from Ramb that Kris and "that girl" used to steal Queen from the librarby to play pretend with a bunch of other toys, including King and Jevil ("that girl" is Dess, I can explain a little more indepth but I wanna keep this brief).

Queen may be a public laptop, but she was certainly most used by Dess and Noelle, so of course these would be the two lightners her and her court are most attached to. We see her attachment to Noelle throughout chapter 2 but we also see signs of Dess's past influence, like her (randomly) using baseballs in her attacks.

Swatch is an image editing app on Queen and we know Dess liked drawing, as we see she made hand drawn posters for shows that may or may not have ever happened and there's the poorly traced dragon under her bed (Asriel keeps HTDD because it reminds him of her).

We also learn from Ramb that Swatch had a mohawk, he was a totally different guy from the collected and polite butler we see, he was a punk just like Dess! He probably changed because Noelle "adopted" Queen after Dess went missing, so the Mansion Darkners were reshaped by her influence and care.

The way Swatch describes how the Lightner made the NEO Body ("Splashing color from the motion of their hand") is similar to the flavor text for when the Knight is charging up it's final attack. Some other flavor text in the Knight's fight references Jevil's theme and there is a tangible connection between the Knight/Dess and Jevil, as he was there for those play sessions (Seam also mentions Jevil being the only one who could match them in "the games" they played).

The NEO Body having been made by Dess also explains one other thing: The basement lock.

Either Noelle or Carol could've put a lock on the NEO Body image to preserve it, since it belonged to Dess.

Anyway, thoughts?

This is an awesome theory with a lot of evidence towards it, but I think it just makes more sense for Mettaton to have made it.

Why did she make it though?

That kinda relies on my general analysis of the game and what I think Dess was actually like which is extremely long (I'm not kidding, I have a 100+ page google doc about it).

The abridged answer: It was either her would be rockstar outfit, which is the more likely case. Or it was her ideal body, which I like more.

Basically it was a dream version of her but she had to abandon that dream to become the Knight (Yes, I think she did it willingly). Now the NEO body is a source of fear and sadness for her, which explains why the Titan has so many similarities to the NEO Body.

Queen also reffers to Dark Fountains made within the Dark World as "Neo" Dark Fountains, these are where Titans are formed from. The other two characters (aside from Spamton NEO) to say the word "NEO" are Jevil and Tenna, and these two are also very intimately tied to her.

Hmm… I never really thought about who made the NEO body… this makes sense tho

Damn we got a full-formed theorist
This is actually a coherent and well-thought theory
well done

I'm pretty sure I've been working on said google doc for multiple months now (lost track). At one point I decided I had to at least tell someone about something in it before I go crazy.

This theory from Twitter came here and you all love it
I can't believe this is happening
This is like a nightmare to me

Oh yeah it's such a good theory yeah Dess made a drawing that's a drawing of Mettaton NEO including wings and a robot laser arm and has Mettaton NEO's leitmotif and is named like Mettaton NEO and was created to be a full Mettaton NEO fight
Screw Mettaton who needs him
Yeah Dess wanted to be a robot I guess yeah that makes more sense

If your theory was somehow true, then what was Toby even doing? It's like he's intentionally trying to deceive the audience over something that's not even that interesting
As for the basement lock, that doesn't really make sense
The basement is where the corrupted data is, such as the abandoned drawing, it's not like the drawing was completed and saved, it was given up on and is locked up with a bunch of other garbage

Also, what I was kinda getting at earlier is that, not only is the NEO body clearly Mettaton NEO, but why would it be a good twist to reduce Mettaton's role in Deltarune to absolutely nothing in favor of giving more importance to the character who is the Roaring Knight?

All of your evidence in favor of it is flimsy to me, none of what you brought up with Seam and Swatch means this has to be true at all

I don't think you did anything wrong or anything like that, I think some of your narrative ideas are nice and you might even make a theory I like in the future, I just really don't like this theory, and you're not the first person I've seen come up with it

Also, guys, I know you think I'm too harsh and you might bring that up here, so I'm just going to say that I feel like I just say what I think, and when it comes to AllAgainstTheDemiurge and Papyrus Knight and other out there stuff, I feel like I give them a chance, sometimes much more than most of you do

wow volnar is very unforgiving

It’s almost like it’s in the name

I don't hate Mettaton if that's what you're implying, sorry if I made you feel bad. I geniunely don't think he made the NEO body and thought I should share it.

If my theory is true, I don't think Toby "was doing" anything in particular. I just feel it's good practice to not look at things with a "This is like this because of Undertale" mentality, this goes for the NEO body but also for a few other things aswell. Like the Hammer of Justice having Undyne's motif in his theme... actually, let me just show you the excerpt from my doc where I talk about this.

Other examples of this include: The bedroom window saying "It's a beautiful day outside" and Susie saying "Get dunked on!!!" to the Titan, neither of these imply any connection to Sans.

Seam says their worldview became "Darker, yet Darker" after hearing Jevil's words, but Gaster himself has refused to speak his infamous "very, very interesting" line (if you retry the Knight fight he only says "very interesting").

If we just stick to seeing everything through nostalgia, we might end up analyzing patterns that don't actually exist.

Also, can you link me that twitter theory you mentioned? I swear I thought of this on my own, but someone might've beat me to the punch.

Really the only evidence for December drawing the NEO body is two pieces of dialogue that sound kind of similar. I don't feel like that's enough evidence to counteract the initial 'Mettaton made the Mettaton body' interpretation.

Seam doesn't need to have met Mettaton physically to know about him. Seam has been established to know of events before they happen, multiple times (see: knowing you're going to fight the Knight and then Gerson a chapter prior) so it's more likely that's how they know.

I mean, the two pieces of dialogue are also the only two pieces cited as concrete evidence of Mettaton having made it. (in the case of the Wiki, it only cites Swatch's line).

Mettaton is never directly cited as it's creator anywhere. We assumed it was him at the time of Chapter 2 because of Undertale vibes, but that's honestly no better than saying Kris is Chara and they genocided everyone's piles of Asriel's dust.

Also, Seam doesn't know "everything". They get shocked if you get the Knight's crystal (they were already starting to console you) and if you reclaim the Shadow Mantle (and they ask Kris where they got it which is kinda weird that they know it was them that got it back).

Seam probably just knows the flow of the story (the Prophecy) like Ralsei, not everything that happens at all times.

So Papyrus made the NEO body?

RC: ts is like saying alphys made the gaster blaster because she is a scientist who also has been known to make sci-fi laser weapons and she could've given it to sans because they're good friends

Sparkle on, Twin.

Wait. That sounds plausible to me
Am I dumb

RC: its called the fucking "GASTER" blaster and its skeleton themed its obvious gaster made it

wait a sec, yeah what the hell? That's actually totally plausible

Yeah Alyphs maybe made it for Gaster