Isn't "Extra Boss" a good page title contender because Spamton says it?

This is a not so serious post, as I am not really advocating hard to change the page title, and well I really wanted to discuss this. I think this fitted better as a wiki discussion category as I am still debating about the title of the article, but if this is better as a normal deltarune one then I might change it.

Anyways I know this page has had several name changes and there was a vote that ended up selecting the current one. However I was playing through Chapter 2 Weird Route and I saw that Spamton described himself as an "Extra Boss". I see that is mentioned in the actual page, but it wasn't an option in the vote, only Secret and Hidden were.

I find that name, Extra Boss, to be a perfect one for various reasons. One is that it is an actual term given in-game, alike to Susie's line in Chapter 4 saying "weird route" a strong argument for that being the actual name for the route.

Then there's that Extra Boss actually fits every boss in this group I think, because indeed the Knight is not exactly Secret or Hidden, but I think we can describe them as an Extra Boss no? Same with the Shadow Mantle holder, which is not a Shadow Crystal boss but it is an Extra one, and that naming may allow to talk about the Shadow Mantle holder alongside the rest if needed.

Not to mention that the file of Hammer of Justice uses the Extra Boss term. It seems to me that to the developers the term of the bosses in this group is either "Extra Boss" or "Ura Boss" more than the other contenders. I thought ura could be translated as extra too, but I checked and it seems I misremembered. I'm also not sure if the Shadow Mantle holder is also described as an ura boss or if only the Knight is.

In summary I think naming the page "Extra Boss" has way more sense than the current or even most other options. In-game they have been named like that which is a huge argument to me, plus it solves the Knight problem, alongside being an official term instead of a conjectural one. If not I think even going with "Ura Boss" would be way better than Shadow Crystal boss, as it would still be what the developers call them, and thus a proper kinda official term instead of a conjectural description.

Even then I won't be really pushing hard for this, not that I prefer the current name of the page over those two options, but that I understand that it's purpose is to be careful about the term and specific about what it includes, plus Chapter 5 is coming and it may come with some strong lead to go to a specific direction like the Susie weird route line did. Just throwing this out here to see the people's opinion, I needed to get this out of my system :P


poorly updated graphic, but ↑this is my take on the matter

i definitely don't think the knight is extraneous. so, 'extra' has all the same ambiguity issues as 'secret'

  • the term 'secret boss' 'extra boss'
    • definitely includes the shadow mantle
    • definitely includes the mike impersonators
    • maybe includes the knight, depends who you ask
  • unless the person you're talking to is just using it as shorthand, and actually means the bosses that give you shadow crystals. then it
    • definitely excludes the shadow mantle
    • definitely excludes the mike impersonators
    • definitely includes the knight

the page is specifically about the bosses that give you shadow crystals.
currently, the clearest term for that is just 'shadow crystal boss'. exactly what it says on the tin

Tenna is built up as final boss for chapter 3, and he has a final boss-like fight, the KNIGHT is mostly there for the cinema and shadow crystal; the average player doesn't beat them, the KNIGHT is "extra" in the way that beating them is an extra challenge you don't need to beat them.
I think "extra boss" is a great way to describe optional bosses, or in other words those where it is optional to beat them, and I think that this would be a great term. "Shadow crystal boss" is also a bit of a mouthful, and "extra boss" might fare better naturally.
I think it would be a great idea to change it to this.

Agreed