Demystifying Odd Phenomena

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Ran into what looked like the site being broken or a feature being missing? Well, there’s a few limitations that aren’t clearly talked about, but are there, and on purpose. You probably ran into one of them.

So, I’ll be explaining them. (Admins, if there’s something I get wrong or something I missed, make a correction.) But before that, we need to talk about…

Trust Levels

No, I don’t mean how we trust each other, or literally thing to do with sociological or psychology. That is literally the name of a feature here.

These are determined by… well, how much you participate in the wiki. Most of you are at “basic”. There aren’t a lot of changes based on rank, but it’s still nice to know for what little changes there really are. You can see what rank you are on your profile page (Click “Expand” on there and it should appear.)

There’s actually two levels above basic you can get to. Those require you to be a more active participant, and it’ll take a while to get to. If you’re looking to get there, here’s a pro-tip:Keep reading posts, and if you have a good response to another post, make a response! If you like a post, click the like button! Just… be a part of the wiki. Check back every now and then. [Maybe once a day? At least ~50% of the time.] “Member” and “Regular” are the levels past “Basic”. [Technically the site has code for a level above even that, but only admins can grant that last one. You’re not getting it. It’s a quasi-admin level. Treat “Regular” as the top level.)

There’s actually a surprise if you can get all the way to the third level! (I know about it because I read the documentation from the Discourse website. But I’m not sure how this wiki chose to implement it. But we’ll find out once we climb up to that rank ourselves!)

Practically every weird limitation is different depending on what rank you’re at. With that being said…

Why Can’t I Like anymore?

There’s a daily limit of 50 likes you can give. (Or 75 if you’re a Member, or 100 if you’re a Regular) Try again tomorrow. (Protip:Like posts you consider good posts. Not literally every single post ever.)

Why Can’t I Edit?

If you were on the old wiki, you probably won’t even ask this question, because that wiki only let you edit posts within 24 hours of it being made. This one… still does that… but only for basic. For those above that, it’s 30 days.

Also, there may or may not also be a daily edit limit (Official documentation is unclear. One set of docs say there is, but it also isn’t on the official list of limits…)

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Nobody has the ‘new’ trust level, the default trust level here is ‘basic user’. Did you hit any of these limits? Do you need the ability to edit posts past 24 hours? We can play with the configuration to adjust these limits.

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I just spun up an account (for transparency, @ObviousDummyAccount, which will now go inactive until and unless it is needed again) to check these, and I can verify that the trust level was “basic user” as soon as I had a confirmed email, and that that trust level doesn’t stop me from responding to at least 5 polls. What’s your source for these limits?

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My source is Discourse itself. I didn’t run up any of the limits myself. (Well, okay, I DID run up the edit limit… exactly once. But it didn’t end up being an issue, it’s not like there was actual misinfo that I only found after the fact)

I didn’t make this to complain about the wiki, I just wanted to clarify what’s going on to those that might have actually hit the limits I described. (24 hours was also the limit in the old wiki because of FANDOM, anyway)

Well, okay. The vote limit I DO have complaints for. But the rest make sense (Alright, maybe the edit limit doesn’t technically need to be here because we have post history, but it hasn’t caused problems yet. The main places that would really be hit by the edit limit is roleplay stuff because OP would need to edit the roles… but roleplaying isn’t allowed on here anyway so that’s pretty much a non-issue,)

I suppose the people who made this wiki must have already found a way to customize it and made basic (TL1) the default instead of new (TL0). (That, or there’s still less than 50 users here which means bootstrap mode is still active. If it’s the latter, then I guess this post is meant to be for after we surpass 50 users)

(I was wondering why Sansbot didn’t send a message about a promotion… Discobot by default does let you know if you’ve promoted, and I know I’m at basic. I just thought I promoted naturally there, and I also thought I was at TL0 at one point because of “Reply as New Topic” not being there, something official Discourse docs say is available to TL1 and above, But maybe that was removed because it really doesn’t have a place on this wiki anyway)

Here are the exact sources I’ve used:

https://blog.discourse.org/2018/06/understanding-discourse-trust-levels/

https://meta.discourse.org/t/trust-level-permissions-reference/224824

EDIT:I found a way to see how many users are here. It’s above 50. So I guess someone decided to change the default from TL0 to TL1. I’m editing my post accordingly. (To those confused about earlier replies, I originally included a “new” trust level because Discourse has that, one that’s supposedly below Basic. But it turns out in this wiki, that rank is skipped entirely.)

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By respond, do you mean posting, or voting? The limit applies to actual voting. Like… the on-site votes. Where you click one of the options of the poll. It doesn’t apply to replies. Only the actual process of voting. By clicking an option and submitting that option.

If you actually voted in 5 separate polls, I suppose someone already customized those limits away. (Good work, whoever that was).

EDIT:Alright, I found one of the polls you voted in. I guess you really did mean actual votes. I guess the limit doesn’t exist anymore. Good work, whoever removed it. It had no reason to be on this wiki to begin with (It’s just a native Discourse thing.)

I’m removing that section entirely, since it seems to not actually be true anymore. Vote on all the meme polls you want, I suppose.

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This badge says there’s a tutorial. How do I start it?

Go here: https://undertale.wiki/d/u/sansbot

Then click Message, make the title whatever, and the message must be “@|sansbot start tutorial” (But without the |. I added | in because I don’t want to actually mention Sansbot right here.) After that, Sansbot will give you the tutorial with his message.

In baseline Discourse, the tutorial was in the original message the bot gives you. I’m not sure why it’s different here. Maybe that’s just what happens when you customize the bot, or maybe it’s a side effect of default trust level being TL1 and not TL0. Regardless, now you know how to start the tutorial.

(Baseline Discourse also had a second, more advanced tutorial for after the first one, but the second one doesn’t seem to exist in this wiki.)

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So, I can confirm the “surprise” I alluded to earlier… Does not actually exist.

I was basing that off of base Discourse, like I did with everything else. (And one other thing)

In base Discourse, TL3 gets a special category. (And on this wiki, Category 1 is Uncategorized, and the first real category is 4. This implies 2 and 3 would refer to the admin category and the TL3 lounge from base Discourse)
Base Discourse also gives TL3 well as the ability to make something called “wiki posts”. (By the way, the term “wiki posts” is part of what caused my initial confusion about the WIKI being in Discourse, ie:I thought Discourse had wiki features. But, in fact, “wiki posts” are simply posts that can be edited by those TL1 and above, and presumably don’t have a limit to how long after posting they can be edited in.)

Neither feature exists in this implementation. I am speaking as someone who got to TL3. (And also wasn’t notified about it by the system. The system did notify me about TL2. I only found out I was TL3 when I checked manually, because “regular” is TL3.) Since 90 days passed since my original post, I can’t remove the portion that says the surprise exists. But there is no surprise. No special surprise exists.

I’m not all that disappointed, though, I didn’t really have an idea how the TL3 category would have been implemented, and there hasn’t really been a real situation where wiki posts would make sense in these discussion forms besides some kind of random experimental thing like when someone made a thread showcasing all the features. If an admin’s still here, they can remove the bit about a surprise. There is no surprise. (Though, maybe the reason none of the admins said there wasn’t one is because there somehow is a surprise that I happened to miss myself? Maybe I should do some more digging now that I’m TL3 and see if I can find something special.)