A quick rant about ERAM (and why its the worst boss in deltarune)

Deltarune Discussion
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eram isn't even bad

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yea

i like their boss

its kinda hard

but i feel like it kinda

prepares you for knight

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So you got good candy rolls. Got it.

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Yall lowkey need to get better
Eram is not that hard

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TO: rEal :]

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SHUT UP
SHUT THE FUCK UP
WHENEVER YOU SPEAK
MY BRAIN GOES THROUGH 6 YEARS OF AGING
MY HEART HAS 3 ATTACKS
MY LUNGS SUDDENLY RUPTURE
SHUT UP

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ERAM's meant to be a callback to old-game bosses, and is meant to be not-well-designed and basicly coded. Also, you're meant to have a bad time, what do you expect from the shelter thing

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Dudes it's just John Eramovich why are they so hard for y'all I beat them in like 5 tries or something

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  1. In-game representation of the shelter menace needs to live up to their legacy
  2. makes the KNIGHT fight a lot easier, obviously has to be a challenge then
  3. callback to old game bosses, so a lot of random RNG is involved
  4. the shadow mantle is a pretty elusive and mystical thing, eh? clearly it should have a strong gaurdian
  5. FRIEND is there, so obsiously they should be hard to beat
  6. the original game was scrapped for a reason mind you
  7. why would something that's literally called the "sword route" not have a hard boss at the end??
    ...
    "Hey Undyne, how many reasons are there for ERAM being stupidly hard?"
    "Seven."
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You kind of misunderstood what I was saying. I wasn't saying that ERAM is a bad character but that they're pretty easy honestly. Definitely not as hard as the Knight and Pink for that matter.

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k, mb

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Only if there was a Petal Feather section against the Knight or some shit, yet it doesn't

So: no it doesn't prepares your for any shit

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I’m gonna bring back something somebody else said; if deltarune ended with “but it was all a dream” to reference bad endings, would everybody praise Toby fox for that? No.

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And to everybody saying it’s not as hard as the knight or other secret bosses, well duh of course not. It’s just super frustrating and not fun to lose due to bs rng or a friend’s hitbox existing after it’s dead

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The fight isn't unfair. It randomizes the attacks like every other battle, but there's always enough time for you to react. If you think you don't have enough time, it's because you're being reckless with your own attacks.

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Well, that's a major piece of the game. ERAM is secret and has many things that can justify it.

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...By the way, this doesn't mean I think ERAM is a good fight, just that it isn't downright horrible.

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Bad game design for the sake of bad game design is almost never justifiable. The only time I can think of where intentionally bad game design is fun is when it’s funny instead of frustrating (like fever meme). Otherwise, bad game design just shouldn’t be done.

And don’t go with the mindset of “This is Toby Fox and he can do no wrong and is perfect in every measure”. Everybody can make mistakes or do something wrong. Don’t think that the one bad part of the game is good because the rest of the game is good. That’s just not how things work.

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MANTLE is the "original game". It's the dark world version of Dragon Blazers, and TLoT is a romhack of MANTLE.

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Then Tenna made the traumatic imp capable of killing the player and the disturbing nods to the Genocides Route of the parallel universe, the Weird Route of a parallel timeline and all the shelter shit?