# The NEO Body was made by December/The Knight **URL:** \ **Category:** Deltarune Discussion\ **Tags:** mettaton, swatch, dess\_holiday, seam\ **Created:** [April 27, 2026, 8:19pm UTC](https://undertale.wiki/d/t/the-neo-body-was-made-by-december-the-knight/4438 "2026-04-27T20:19:13Z")\ **Posts on this page:** 20\ **Page:** 6
**Author:** ![FotoDeCarro](https://undertale.wiki/d/user_avatar/undertale.wiki/fotodecarro/32/7363_2.png) [@FotoDeCarro](https://undertale.wiki/d/u/FotoDeCarro)\ **Post date:** [April 30, 2026, 4:13pm UTC](https://undertale.wiki/d/t/the-neo-body-was-made-by-december-the-knight/4438/104 "2026-04-30T16:13:28Z")
On a different note: [Someone on reddit](https://www.reddit.com/r/Deltarune/comments/1sz3djw/dess_being_that_girl_ramb_mentioned_playing_with/?utm_source=share&utm_medium=web3x&utm_name=web3xcss&utm_term=1&utm_content=share_button) (a Noelle Knighter, at that) actually made a pretty good case for Dess not being "That Girl" like I said and they present some pretty strong evidence that it's Noelle. So for the sake of fairness I'm leaving it here. I still find it difficult to believe it's not Dess, but it does make me think I might be wrong. ---
**Author:** ![Palladium\_standard](https://undertale.wiki/d/user_avatar/undertale.wiki/palladium_standard/32/29659_2.png) [@Palladium\_standard](https://undertale.wiki/d/u/Palladium_standard)\ **Post date:** [May 1, 2026, 3:51am UTC](https://undertale.wiki/d/t/the-neo-body-was-made-by-december-the-knight/4438/105 "2026-05-01T03:51:06Z")
> [@FotoDeCarro](#): > > a Noelle Knighter ...oh good glooby gaster ---
**Author:** ![Echoescreates](https://undertale.wiki/d/user_avatar/undertale.wiki/echoescreates/32/10159_2.png) [@Echoescreates](https://undertale.wiki/d/u/Echoescreates)\ **Post date:** [May 1, 2026, 11:24pm UTC](https://undertale.wiki/d/t/the-neo-body-was-made-by-december-the-knight/4438/106 "2026-05-01T23:24:45Z")
Just wanted to say- couldn't Susie still remind gerson of Undyne? since gerson probably knew undyne when he was alive dunno if im misinterpreting alls this but just a thought ---
**Author:** ![FotoDeCarro](https://undertale.wiki/d/user_avatar/undertale.wiki/fotodecarro/32/7363_2.png) [@FotoDeCarro](https://undertale.wiki/d/u/FotoDeCarro)\ **Post date:** [May 1, 2026, 11:48pm UTC](https://undertale.wiki/d/t/the-neo-body-was-made-by-december-the-knight/4438/107 "2026-05-01T23:48:04Z")
It's _not impossible_, just _very unlikely_. Gerson Deltarune probably knew Undyne Deltarune as in "was aware that she exists", not to the level that Gerson Undertale was fond of Undyne Undertale. Undyne was his number one fan in that universe, just like Monster Kid was her number 1 fan, and yet Monster Teen is nowhere near as fixated on Undyne in Deltarune. Gerson should also recognize Kris as Asriel's little sibling\*\*\*\*\*\* and Ralsei as at least looking a bit like Asriel, but he doesn't interact with these two nearly as much as he does with Susie, and they have many problems he could help them out with. Whoever Susie reminds him of must've been very dear to him for him to focus on her as much as he does. And I think it's Dess. ---
**Author:** ![FotoDeCarro](https://undertale.wiki/d/user_avatar/undertale.wiki/fotodecarro/32/7363_2.png) [@FotoDeCarro](https://undertale.wiki/d/u/FotoDeCarro)\ **Post date:** [May 1, 2026, 11:50pm UTC](https://undertale.wiki/d/t/the-neo-body-was-made-by-december-the-knight/4438/108 "2026-05-01T23:50:27Z")
Jesus Christ, sibling\*\* **not brother** \* ![image](https://undertale.wiki/d/uploads/default/original/2X/4/4dcac61361590e82eaf3e0fff8bf4bdc3f736303.jpeg) ---
**Author:** ![Palladium\_standard](https://undertale.wiki/d/user_avatar/undertale.wiki/palladium_standard/32/29659_2.png) [@Palladium\_standard](https://undertale.wiki/d/u/Palladium_standard)\ **Post date:** [May 2, 2026, 12:02am UTC](https://undertale.wiki/d/t/the-neo-body-was-made-by-december-the-knight/4438/109 "2026-05-02T00:02:02Z")
I feel like Gerson probably knew Undyne to a decent level given that she was prominent in the police force (selected to become chief after Asgore left, meaning she was probably experienced or something) she might have known the guy who made a bestselling series that's literally a parallel to LoTR ---
**Author:** ![FotoDeCarro](https://undertale.wiki/d/user_avatar/undertale.wiki/fotodecarro/32/7363_2.png) [@FotoDeCarro](https://undertale.wiki/d/u/FotoDeCarro)\ **Post date:** [May 2, 2026, 12:07am UTC](https://undertale.wiki/d/t/the-neo-body-was-made-by-december-the-knight/4438/110 "2026-05-02T00:07:26Z")
I was exagerating a lot, Hometown is very small so everyone probably knew each other to some level, but we have no reason to believe Undyne was any more special to him than anybody else. She never mentions him, we never see her having or reading his book, or even any book at all. We know she plays piano well in Deltarune, but we never get told about how much she likes reading. ---
**Author:** ![Palladium\_standard](https://undertale.wiki/d/user_avatar/undertale.wiki/palladium_standard/32/29659_2.png) [@Palladium\_standard](https://undertale.wiki/d/u/Palladium_standard)\ **Post date:** [May 2, 2026, 12:10am UTC](https://undertale.wiki/d/t/the-neo-body-was-made-by-december-the-knight/4438/111 "2026-05-02T00:10:02Z")
good point ---
**Author:** ![Volnar\_The\_Unforgiving](https://undertale.wiki/d/user_avatar/undertale.wiki/volnar_the_unforgiving/32/850_2.png) [@Volnar\_The\_Unforgiving](https://undertale.wiki/d/u/Volnar_The_Unforgiving)\ **Post date:** [May 2, 2026, 4:54pm UTC](https://undertale.wiki/d/t/the-neo-body-was-made-by-december-the-knight/4438/112 "2026-05-02T16:54:59Z")
I agree with you I think Gerson became close with Dess, who was generally quite similar to Susie, as a mentor while being her schoolteacher, to the extent he could be considered a "loved one" like Ralsei describes The darkner version of him is based off of Dess's memories of this relationship ---
**Author:** ![FotoDeCarro](https://undertale.wiki/d/user_avatar/undertale.wiki/fotodecarro/32/7363_2.png) [@FotoDeCarro](https://undertale.wiki/d/u/FotoDeCarro)\ **Post date:** [May 2, 2026, 5:51pm UTC](https://undertale.wiki/d/t/the-neo-body-was-made-by-december-the-knight/4438/113 "2026-05-02T17:51:49Z")
yeah, Ralsei specifying "loved one" here is the biggest obstacle for like any Knight candidate that's not Dess, Asriel or Alvin, but Asriel is at college and no one believes Alvin Knight anymore. ---
**Author:** ![Timpaw21](https://undertale.wiki/d/user_avatar/undertale.wiki/timpaw21/32/15938_2.png) [@Timpaw21](https://undertale.wiki/d/u/Timpaw21)\ **Post date:** [May 2, 2026, 5:58pm UTC](https://undertale.wiki/d/t/the-neo-body-was-made-by-december-the-knight/4438/114 "2026-05-02T17:58:07Z")
> [@FotoDeCarro](#): > > Ralsei specifying First off, we very much know at this point that Ralsei isn't the most reliable speaker. > [@FotoDeCarro](#): > > Ralsei specifying "loved one" here is the biggest obstacle for like any Knight candidate that's not Dess, Asriel or Alvin If my MultiKnight theory is correct, one of those people still could have been the one to open the fountain ---
**Author:** ![FotoDeCarro](https://undertale.wiki/d/user_avatar/undertale.wiki/fotodecarro/32/7363_2.png) [@FotoDeCarro](https://undertale.wiki/d/u/FotoDeCarro)\ **Post date:** [May 2, 2026, 6:04pm UTC](https://undertale.wiki/d/t/the-neo-body-was-made-by-december-the-knight/4438/115 "2026-05-02T18:04:14Z")
> [@Timpaw21](#): > > First off, we very much know at this point that Ralsei isn't the most reliable speaker. This is what I meant by "something doesn't matter because you don't like it". What is even the point of Ralsei lying about the Knight's affection for Gerson? Can he go on the internet and see us discussing this and wants to throw us off? Why? Besides, we literally see Susie can't bring Gerson back, unlike the Knight. The Knight's darkness just randomly brings back Gerson and were not supposed to think they might've had some deep connection? This is why I don't like Knight candidate discussion too. ---
**Author:** ![HazyCozmos](https://undertale.wiki/d/user_avatar/undertale.wiki/hazycozmos/32/29636_2.png) [@HazyCozmos](https://undertale.wiki/d/u/HazyCozmos)\ **Post date:** [May 2, 2026, 11:09pm UTC](https://undertale.wiki/d/t/the-neo-body-was-made-by-december-the-knight/4438/116 "2026-05-02T23:09:26Z")
> [@FotoDeCarro](#): > > Can he go on the internet and see us discussing this and wants to throw us off? @Ralsei ---
**Author:** ![Palladium\_standard](https://undertale.wiki/d/user_avatar/undertale.wiki/palladium_standard/32/29659_2.png) [@Palladium\_standard](https://undertale.wiki/d/u/Palladium_standard)\ **Post date:** [May 3, 2026, 3:29am UTC](https://undertale.wiki/d/t/the-neo-body-was-made-by-december-the-knight/4438/117 "2026-05-03T03:29:15Z")
What if the ch4 dark world WASN'T made by the KNIGHT, but by someone else? Just a crack theory... ---
**Author:** ![Vexodus](https://undertale.wiki/d/user_avatar/undertale.wiki/vexodus/32/11150_2.png) [@Vexodus](https://undertale.wiki/d/u/Vexodus)\ **Post date:** [May 5, 2026, 6:29am UTC](https://undertale.wiki/d/t/the-neo-body-was-made-by-december-the-knight/4438/118 "2026-05-05T06:29:01Z")
it's not there ---
**Author:** ![Vexodus](https://undertale.wiki/d/user_avatar/undertale.wiki/vexodus/32/11150_2.png) [@Vexodus](https://undertale.wiki/d/u/Vexodus)\ **Post date:** [May 5, 2026, 6:29am UTC](https://undertale.wiki/d/t/the-neo-body-was-made-by-december-the-knight/4438/119 "2026-05-05T06:29:15Z")
nope ---
**Author:** ![Vexodus](https://undertale.wiki/d/user_avatar/undertale.wiki/vexodus/32/11150_2.png) [@Vexodus](https://undertale.wiki/d/u/Vexodus)\ **Post date:** [May 5, 2026, 6:31am UTC](https://undertale.wiki/d/t/the-neo-body-was-made-by-december-the-knight/4438/120 "2026-05-05T06:31:15Z")
uh what nonono freedom is not lost girl gaster though, maybe > [@Volnar\_The\_Unforgiving](#): > > Don't worry about it > I actually feel kind of ashamed about being harsh here which is why I haven't been responding to this thread recently same > [@Volnar\_The\_Unforgiving](#): > > Oh yeah also by the way > It's TV Time! does not reference Death By Glamour ... > > [...that would be TV WORLD.](https://deltarune.wiki/w/TV_WORLD_(soundtrack)#Creation_and_development) uh no but it WAS built off of DBG so close enough ig > [@FotoDeCarro](#): > > yeah, Ralsei specifying "loved one" here is the biggest obstacle for like any Knight candidate that's not Dess, all I'm saying is if alvin's an adult and gerson taught him another certain adult holiday may have been taught by him... one who has a strange interaction following the knight fight... I'M JUST SAYIN' ---
**Author:** ![Palladium\_standard](https://undertale.wiki/d/user_avatar/undertale.wiki/palladium_standard/32/29659_2.png) [@Palladium\_standard](https://undertale.wiki/d/u/Palladium_standard)\ **Post date:** [May 5, 2026, 8:24am UTC](https://undertale.wiki/d/t/the-neo-body-was-made-by-december-the-knight/4438/121 "2026-05-05T08:24:43Z")
> [@Vexodus](#): > > uh > what > nonono > freedom is not lost girl hey I was just thinking about the similarities of the two earlier today I guess I'm not the only one... 😈 > [@Vexodus](#): > > gaster though, > maybe uhh never noticed that (don't listen to instances of LG that much, and have surprisingly little Gaster's theme soundtrack) > [@Vexodus](#): > > all I'm saying is > if alvin's an adult > and gerson taught him > another certain adult holiday may have been taught by him... > one who has a strange interaction following the knight fight... > I'M JUST SAYIN' (The temptation to ping Volnar & All increases yet further...) ---
**Author:** ![Vexodus](https://undertale.wiki/d/user_avatar/undertale.wiki/vexodus/32/11150_2.png) [@Vexodus](https://undertale.wiki/d/u/Vexodus)\ **Post date:** [May 5, 2026, 8:45am UTC](https://undertale.wiki/d/t/the-neo-body-was-made-by-december-the-knight/4438/122 "2026-05-05T08:45:09Z")
I mean, can you explain that interaction? ---
**Author:** ![Palladium\_standard](https://undertale.wiki/d/user_avatar/undertale.wiki/palladium_standard/32/29659_2.png) [@Palladium\_standard](https://undertale.wiki/d/u/Palladium_standard)\ **Post date:** [May 5, 2026, 9:08am UTC](https://undertale.wiki/d/t/the-neo-body-was-made-by-december-the-knight/4438/123 "2026-05-05T09:08:29Z")
just going to look up what it even was again [Previous page](https://undertale.wiki/d/t/the-neo-body-was-made-by-december-the-knight/4438.md?page=5) [Next page](https://undertale.wiki/d/t/the-neo-body-was-made-by-december-the-knight/4438.md?page=7)