# The NEO Body was made by December/The Knight **URL:** \ **Category:** Deltarune Discussion\ **Tags:** mettaton, swatch, dess\_holiday, seam\ **Created:** [April 27, 2026, 8:19pm UTC](https://undertale.wiki/d/t/the-neo-body-was-made-by-december-the-knight/4438 "2026-04-27T20:19:13Z")\ **Posts on this page:** 20\ **Page:** 3
**Author:** ![Palladium\_standard](https://undertale.wiki/d/user_avatar/undertale.wiki/palladium_standard/32/29659_2.png) [@Palladium\_standard](https://undertale.wiki/d/u/Palladium_standard)\ **Post date:** [April 28, 2026, 10:04am UTC](https://undertale.wiki/d/t/the-neo-body-was-made-by-december-the-knight/4438/42 "2026-04-28T10:04:06Z")
Haha seeing Vexodus blow up on leitmotifs... :floweywink: > [@Vexodus](#): > > bars, mi amigo Didn't know you spoke [language] > [@Vexodus](#): > > repression and, perhaps, DEpression that almost everybody in hometown feels. Mettaton gave up on their/his dreams, asgore's divorced as hell, that one rabbit can't walk her brother > etc, etc > [@Vexodus](#): > > and you can't argue that the people of hometown aren't repressed, because that's where dark worlds and their escapism factors tie in. > > They're an escape from the dreary hometown, where sure, everything's fine, but everybody's got problems, nobody's fully open. > The NEO body is a way of showing hometown's discarded dreams ...Hang on how did I miss that there's some stuff there...I think @Allagainstthedemiurge probably said something like that huh ---
**Author:** ![FotoDeCarro](https://undertale.wiki/d/user_avatar/undertale.wiki/fotodecarro/32/7363_2.png) [@FotoDeCarro](https://undertale.wiki/d/u/FotoDeCarro)\ **Post date:** [April 28, 2026, 11:55am UTC](https://undertale.wiki/d/t/the-neo-body-was-made-by-december-the-knight/4438/43 "2026-04-28T11:55:34Z")
> [@Vexodus](#): > > ALSO > NO > NONONO > TV TIME DOES NOT HAVE DEATH BY GLAMOUR. I don't know how to argue against this other than you just not hearing it. Many people say BLACK KNIFE doesn't have Lost Girl, Hammer of Justice's rendition of the Freedom Motif is very brief and butchered to oblivion, but no one disagrees that it's the freedom motif. > [@Vexodus](#): > > YOU'RE STILL WRONG ABOUT NO CONNECTION TO TENNA > GIVEN METTATON LITERALLY CAN ADOPT TENNA > AND TENNA WAS DESIGNED WITH METTATON IN MIND Yeah, that happens, and he still has no connection to Tenna. Mettaton only _potentially_ adopts him after we already hear Death by Glamour in his theme, Mettaton has never seen Tenna before chapter 4. I never argued Spamton NEO doesn't look like Mettaton NEO or wasn't meant to be a stand-in for a Mettaton NEO fight, I argue the exact opposite of this on my google doc (in a much more controversial take than this): ![image](https://undertale.wiki/d/uploads/default/original/2X/1/1aeb6e3ea9fe2f50db2ca35d65a5e6d076d3daa3.jpeg) I have an explanation prior to why Tenna, Ruddin Ranger, the Cuptains, Winglade and the big Ball Machine all represent "The Knight" (not necessarily "Dess"), but again that is long. At this point I should just link my doc on my profile or something instead of vaguely quoting it every time something like this comes up. ---
**Author:** ![Enderman2000535](https://undertale.wiki/d/user_avatar/undertale.wiki/enderman2000535/32/29507_2.png) [@Enderman2000535](https://undertale.wiki/d/u/Enderman2000535)\ **Post date:** [April 28, 2026, 12:33pm UTC](https://undertale.wiki/d/t/the-neo-body-was-made-by-december-the-knight/4438/44 "2026-04-28T12:33:10Z")
No, but if both use Chaos (Chaos King, Chaos Queen) then yeah. ---
**Author:** ![Enderman2000535](https://undertale.wiki/d/user_avatar/undertale.wiki/enderman2000535/32/29507_2.png) [@Enderman2000535](https://undertale.wiki/d/u/Enderman2000535)\ **Post date:** [April 28, 2026, 12:34pm UTC](https://undertale.wiki/d/t/the-neo-body-was-made-by-december-the-knight/4438/45 "2026-04-28T12:34:04Z")
There is no confirmation Dess is the Knight so the Titans are pretty irrelevant ---
**Author:** ![Enderman2000535](https://undertale.wiki/d/user_avatar/undertale.wiki/enderman2000535/32/29507_2.png) [@Enderman2000535](https://undertale.wiki/d/u/Enderman2000535)\ **Post date:** [April 28, 2026, 12:35pm UTC](https://undertale.wiki/d/t/the-neo-body-was-made-by-december-the-knight/4438/46 "2026-04-28T12:35:05Z")
Wasn't Friend in Chapter 1? ---
**Author:** ![FotoDeCarro](https://undertale.wiki/d/user_avatar/undertale.wiki/fotodecarro/32/7363_2.png) [@FotoDeCarro](https://undertale.wiki/d/u/FotoDeCarro)\ **Post date:** [April 28, 2026, 12:42pm UTC](https://undertale.wiki/d/t/the-neo-body-was-made-by-december-the-knight/4438/47 "2026-04-28T12:42:07Z")
> [@Enderman2000535](#): > > No, but if both use Chaos (Chaos King, Chaos Queen) then yeah. Well, it is a good thing that never happens then. King is only called "Chaos King" is the track that plays for the _Spades King_. Queen is never called Chaos Queen anywhere at all. > [@Enderman2000535](#): > > There is no confirmation Dess is the Knight so the Titans are pretty irrelevant I'm not going into Knight candidate discussion, but it's fun how you can just say something doesn't matter because you don't like it. > [@Enderman2000535](#): > > Wasn't Friend in Chapter 1? ? Literally no? Where? ---
**Author:** ![Enderman2000535](https://undertale.wiki/d/user_avatar/undertale.wiki/enderman2000535/32/29507_2.png) [@Enderman2000535](https://undertale.wiki/d/u/Enderman2000535)\ **Post date:** [April 28, 2026, 12:43pm UTC](https://undertale.wiki/d/t/the-neo-body-was-made-by-december-the-knight/4438/48 "2026-04-28T12:43:50Z")
> [@FotoDeCarro](#): > > I'm not going into Knight candidate discussion, but it's fun how you can just say something doesn't matter because you don't like it. Most considerate of other theories Dess Knighter ---
**Author:** ![Enderman2000535](https://undertale.wiki/d/user_avatar/undertale.wiki/enderman2000535/32/29507_2.png) [@Enderman2000535](https://undertale.wiki/d/u/Enderman2000535)\ **Post date:** [April 28, 2026, 12:44pm UTC](https://undertale.wiki/d/t/the-neo-body-was-made-by-december-the-knight/4438/49 "2026-04-28T12:44:16Z")
All evidence for Dess Knight works for any of the Holidays. Including Noelle. Hell, some of it even works for Asriel. ---
**Author:** ![FotoDeCarro](https://undertale.wiki/d/user_avatar/undertale.wiki/fotodecarro/32/7363_2.png) [@FotoDeCarro](https://undertale.wiki/d/u/FotoDeCarro)\ **Post date:** [April 28, 2026, 12:45pm UTC](https://undertale.wiki/d/t/the-neo-body-was-made-by-december-the-knight/4438/50 "2026-04-28T12:45:55Z")
> [@Enderman2000535](#): > > Most considerate of other theories Dess Knighter Brother (genderneutral) I do not know how you can take this from what I said aside from you personally not liking me. ---
**Author:** ![Enderman2000535](https://undertale.wiki/d/user_avatar/undertale.wiki/enderman2000535/32/29507_2.png) [@Enderman2000535](https://undertale.wiki/d/u/Enderman2000535)\ **Post date:** [April 28, 2026, 12:52pm UTC](https://undertale.wiki/d/t/the-neo-body-was-made-by-december-the-knight/4438/51 "2026-04-28T12:52:53Z")
> [@FotoDeCarro](#): > > it's fun how you can just say something doesn't matter because you don't like it. > [@FotoDeCarro](#): > > I do not know how you can take this from what I said aside from you personally not liking me. ---
**Author:** ![FotoDeCarro](https://undertale.wiki/d/user_avatar/undertale.wiki/fotodecarro/32/7363_2.png) [@FotoDeCarro](https://undertale.wiki/d/u/FotoDeCarro)\ **Post date:** [April 28, 2026, 1:00pm UTC](https://undertale.wiki/d/t/the-neo-body-was-made-by-december-the-knight/4438/52 "2026-04-28T13:00:48Z")
> [@FotoDeCarro](#): > > it's fun how you can just say something doesn't matter because you don't like it. Yes, this is what I said. Anyone who is _against Dess Knight_ has probably said something in this sentiment too. Like what you said in response. > [@Enderman2000535](#): > > Most considerate of other theories Dess Knighter Which is the exact same thing, but phrased in a snarky way to make me look like a bad guy. I could have said "Most considerate of Dess Knight non Dess Knighter" at first and my post would have the same point. ---
**Author:** ![Vexodus](https://undertale.wiki/d/user_avatar/undertale.wiki/vexodus/32/11150_2.png) [@Vexodus](https://undertale.wiki/d/u/Vexodus)\ **Post date:** [April 28, 2026, 6:23pm UTC](https://undertale.wiki/d/t/the-neo-body-was-made-by-december-the-knight/4438/53 "2026-04-28T18:23:16Z")
Tell me where DBG is in TV TIME (as a composer, I'm very not-normal about leitmotifs) I can assure you, if it's at the start, you're out of your mind. If anything, the start is closer to big shot, but even then, it is still its own unique melody. they're not on the same scale degrees they do not even follow the same CONTOUR, which is normally the thing that people hallucinate on. Not even the same rhythm, for crying out loud! The three basic aspects of melodywriting. All three do not match up. Trust me, I am open to finding new leitmotifs, like how I believe that DARK ZONE has the A section of the legend. But TV TIME does not have Death By Glamour ---
**Author:** ![Enderman2000535](https://undertale.wiki/d/user_avatar/undertale.wiki/enderman2000535/32/29507_2.png) [@Enderman2000535](https://undertale.wiki/d/u/Enderman2000535)\ **Post date:** [April 28, 2026, 6:33pm UTC](https://undertale.wiki/d/t/the-neo-body-was-made-by-december-the-knight/4438/54 "2026-04-28T18:33:29Z")
I would like this reply if I didn't have 41 minutes until I can like again. ---
**Author:** ![FotoDeCarro](https://undertale.wiki/d/user_avatar/undertale.wiki/fotodecarro/32/7363_2.png) [@FotoDeCarro](https://undertale.wiki/d/u/FotoDeCarro)\ **Post date:** [April 28, 2026, 6:36pm UTC](https://undertale.wiki/d/t/the-neo-body-was-made-by-december-the-knight/4438/55 "2026-04-28T18:36:11Z")
> [@Vexodus](#): > > I dislike your theory, but at the end of the day, I don't really care Given how much you're replying, I somehow don't believe you. > [@Vexodus](#): > > what i WILL stress to everybody here, is that the NEO body is NOT pointless fanservice. I didn't say this. > [@Vexodus](#): > > and you can't argue that the people of hometown aren't repressed, because that's where dark worlds and their escapism factors tie in. I didn't say this. > [@Vexodus](#): > > not to mention that spamton's name very likely is a portmanteau of spam and mettaton ![image](https://undertale.wiki/d/uploads/default/original/2X/1/1e4134f0818bdf7e335453b927517008791cef14.jpeg) Or it could just be because he's a Ton of Spam. (Spamton is an anagram of Tampons too) > [@Vexodus](#): > > Tell me where DBG is in TV TIME > (as a composer, I'm very not-normal about leitmotifs) > I can assure you, if it's at the start, you're out of your mind. Then ok. If you can't hear it where I hear it then you can't hear it where I hear it. I am a layman in music, but if you only find motifs through this cold analysis you might aswell say Gaster's Theme is Lost Girl is Freedom. And to be fair, that might actually be right for all I know. I would be much more inclined to hear any arguments against it if people came at me a little less aggressively. ---
**Author:** ![RykerNightshard](https://undertale.wiki/d/user_avatar/undertale.wiki/rykernightshard/32/11503_2.png) [@RykerNightshard](https://undertale.wiki/d/u/RykerNightshard)\ **Post date:** [April 28, 2026, 6:40pm UTC](https://undertale.wiki/d/t/the-neo-body-was-made-by-december-the-knight/4438/56 "2026-04-28T18:40:19Z")
I'm pretty sure it's not the exact motif, but it definitely takes from DBG. Unless you're hearing some part I'm forgetting about. Correction: HEAVILY takes from DBG. ---
**Author:** ![Vexodus](https://undertale.wiki/d/user_avatar/undertale.wiki/vexodus/32/11150_2.png) [@Vexodus](https://undertale.wiki/d/u/Vexodus)\ **Post date:** [April 28, 2026, 6:41pm UTC](https://undertale.wiki/d/t/the-neo-body-was-made-by-december-the-knight/4438/57 "2026-04-28T18:41:54Z")
> "Mettaton made the NEO body" would just be... no. not even fanservice. it fits into nothing. the bit about you being unable to argue was just to close off any (logical) rebuttal potential\> and again, as I stress above, listening by ear alone can oftentimes lead to incorrect info. please just trust me as somebody who knows music, dbg is not in tv time ---
**Author:** ![FotoDeCarro](https://undertale.wiki/d/user_avatar/undertale.wiki/fotodecarro/32/7363_2.png) [@FotoDeCarro](https://undertale.wiki/d/u/FotoDeCarro)\ **Post date:** [April 28, 2026, 6:42pm UTC](https://undertale.wiki/d/t/the-neo-body-was-made-by-december-the-knight/4438/58 "2026-04-28T18:42:39Z")
_\*Quotes me saying it's not fanservice_\* ---
**Author:** ![Vexodus](https://undertale.wiki/d/user_avatar/undertale.wiki/vexodus/32/11150_2.png) [@Vexodus](https://undertale.wiki/d/u/Vexodus)\ **Post date:** [April 28, 2026, 6:44pm UTC](https://undertale.wiki/d/t/the-neo-body-was-made-by-december-the-knight/4438/59 "2026-04-28T18:44:30Z")
yeah my argument was more just to why it wasn't pointless ---
**Author:** ![Vexodus](https://undertale.wiki/d/user_avatar/undertale.wiki/vexodus/32/11150_2.png) [@Vexodus](https://undertale.wiki/d/u/Vexodus)\ **Post date:** [April 28, 2026, 6:45pm UTC](https://undertale.wiki/d/t/the-neo-body-was-made-by-december-the-knight/4438/60 "2026-04-28T18:45:10Z")
take inspiration vibeswise, I'd say almost certainly as does big shot ---
**Author:** ![RykerNightshard](https://undertale.wiki/d/user_avatar/undertale.wiki/rykernightshard/32/11503_2.png) [@RykerNightshard](https://undertale.wiki/d/u/RykerNightshard)\ **Post date:** [April 28, 2026, 6:46pm UTC](https://undertale.wiki/d/t/the-neo-body-was-made-by-december-the-knight/4438/61 "2026-04-28T18:46:23Z")
Yeah... I really don't hear DBG bar for bar, but it's definitely very inspired. [Previous page](https://undertale.wiki/d/t/the-neo-body-was-made-by-december-the-knight/4438.md?page=2) [Next page](https://undertale.wiki/d/t/the-neo-body-was-made-by-december-the-knight/4438.md?page=4)