# The King has a piece flaking off of him (I think) **URL:** \ **Category:** Deltarune Discussion\ **Created:** [September 7, 2026, 4:45am UTC](https://undertale.wiki/d/t/the-king-has-a-piece-flaking-off-of-him-i-think/8860 "2026-09-07T04:45:33Z")\ **Posts on this page:** 20\ **Page:** 3
**Author:** ![MidKnight](https://undertale.wiki/d/user_avatar/undertale.wiki/midknight/32/28633_2.png) [@MidKnight](https://undertale.wiki/d/u/MidKnight)\ **Post date:** [September 8, 2026, 7:45pm UTC](https://undertale.wiki/d/t/the-king-has-a-piece-flaking-off-of-him-i-think/8860/41 "2026-09-08T19:45:18Z")
A DELTARUNE THEORIST CITING SOUCES?!?!? THAT'S NEARLY UNHEARD OF :friend: :boom: ---
**Author:** ![EvilandHomophobicKnight](https://undertale.wiki/d/user_avatar/undertale.wiki/evilandhomophobicknight/32/25062_2.png) [@EvilandHomophobicKnight](https://undertale.wiki/d/u/EvilandHomophobicKnight)\ **Post date:** [September 8, 2026, 7:46pm UTC](https://undertale.wiki/d/t/the-king-has-a-piece-flaking-off-of-him-i-think/8860/42 "2026-09-08T19:46:21Z")
Synonymous does not mean same, it means similar. Jackets and hoodies are very similar compared to other clothing, but they are not the same. ---
**Author:** ![DracoBaltoy\_II](https://undertale.wiki/d/letter_avatar_proxy/v4/letter/d/ccd318/32.png) [@DracoBaltoy\_II](https://undertale.wiki/d/u/DracoBaltoy_II)\ **Post date:** [September 8, 2026, 7:47pm UTC](https://undertale.wiki/d/t/the-king-has-a-piece-flaking-off-of-him-i-think/8860/43 "2026-09-08T19:47:36Z")
Doesn't matter. If the guy who's making the game calls it a mantle, regardless of what it looks like, it's a mantle. If I drew a mouse that looks like a rat that doesn't mean it's a rat. It's still a mouse. When concerning their own creation, the creator's word is final. ---
**Author:** ![MidKnight](https://undertale.wiki/d/user_avatar/undertale.wiki/midknight/32/28633_2.png) [@MidKnight](https://undertale.wiki/d/u/MidKnight)\ **Post date:** [September 8, 2026, 7:48pm UTC](https://undertale.wiki/d/t/the-king-has-a-piece-flaking-off-of-him-i-think/8860/44 "2026-09-08T19:48:35Z")
This fandom argues over the silliest things I swear.... :friend: :torielfacepalm: ---
**Author:** ![EvilandHomophobicKnight](https://undertale.wiki/d/user_avatar/undertale.wiki/evilandhomophobicknight/32/25062_2.png) [@EvilandHomophobicKnight](https://undertale.wiki/d/u/EvilandHomophobicKnight)\ **Post date:** [September 8, 2026, 7:52pm UTC](https://undertale.wiki/d/t/the-king-has-a-piece-flaking-off-of-him-i-think/8860/45 "2026-09-08T19:52:13Z")
Toby has called the pink thing on Kris's shoulder a cape, mantle, and ascot. Those all sound pretty conflicting to me. ---
**Author:** ![DracoBaltoy\_II](https://undertale.wiki/d/letter_avatar_proxy/v4/letter/d/ccd318/32.png) [@DracoBaltoy\_II](https://undertale.wiki/d/u/DracoBaltoy_II)\ **Post date:** [September 8, 2026, 7:54pm UTC](https://undertale.wiki/d/t/the-king-has-a-piece-flaking-off-of-him-i-think/8860/46 "2026-09-08T19:54:05Z")
The difference is he's only called King's mantle by one name. ---
**Author:** ![WDAxolotl](https://undertale.wiki/d/user_avatar/undertale.wiki/wdaxolotl/32/23158_2.png) [@WDAxolotl](https://undertale.wiki/d/u/WDAxolotl)\ **Post date:** [September 8, 2026, 7:55pm UTC](https://undertale.wiki/d/t/the-king-has-a-piece-flaking-off-of-him-i-think/8860/47 "2026-09-08T19:55:42Z")
why it cant be a mantle, even if its not the shadowmantle ---
**Author:** ![MarkKrutak](https://undertale.wiki/d/user_avatar/undertale.wiki/markkrutak/32/1598_2.png) [@MarkKrutak](https://undertale.wiki/d/u/MarkKrutak)\ **Post date:** [September 8, 2026, 7:56pm UTC](https://undertale.wiki/d/t/the-king-has-a-piece-flaking-off-of-him-i-think/8860/48 "2026-09-08T19:56:04Z")
> [@HarbingerKnightTheSecond](#): > > In-game, it says the Dark Fountain made him a bit tyrannical, but every other Darkner in every other Chapter doesn't get affected the minimum by a Dark Fountain in vicinity The humble Queen: - _Queen wasn't always so... harsh. No, she WAS! She just got WORSE somehow!_ - _It wasn't 'til that DARK FOUNTAIN showed up, That she started going into overdrive._ ---
**Author:** ![EvilandHomophobicKnight](https://undertale.wiki/d/user_avatar/undertale.wiki/evilandhomophobicknight/32/25062_2.png) [@EvilandHomophobicKnight](https://undertale.wiki/d/u/EvilandHomophobicKnight)\ **Post date:** [September 8, 2026, 7:58pm UTC](https://undertale.wiki/d/t/the-king-has-a-piece-flaking-off-of-him-i-think/8860/49 "2026-09-08T19:58:10Z")
Except it has been called more than one thing, because in Chapter 1 when King's HP is low the battle narration reads "KING's cape flutters weakly". ---
**Author:** ![Invidiatechdemo](https://undertale.wiki/d/user_avatar/undertale.wiki/invidiatechdemo/32/20100_2.png) [@Invidiatechdemo](https://undertale.wiki/d/u/Invidiatechdemo)\ **Post date:** [September 8, 2026, 7:59pm UTC](https://undertale.wiki/d/t/the-king-has-a-piece-flaking-off-of-him-i-think/8860/50 "2026-09-08T19:59:04Z")
Fairchild's Dictionary Of Fashion, page 90's definition of 'cape': "Although worn during the Middle Ages, a cape was more commonly called a mantle." On page 363-364, under the definition of mantle directly: ![image](https://undertale.wiki/d/uploads/default/original/3X/d/3/d3c2e3e0606f66c5ba2fdd72d84ab53cdb881036.png) ![image](https://undertale.wiki/d/uploads/default/original/3X/d/5/d5ea317e3e90db8602f1da0f832e1b6178cb5be8.png) It's just a cape without sleeves. King's garment being called a cape and a mantle is because a mantle in fashion is a cape without sleeves. ---
**Author:** ![EvilandHomophobicKnight](https://undertale.wiki/d/user_avatar/undertale.wiki/evilandhomophobicknight/32/25062_2.png) [@EvilandHomophobicKnight](https://undertale.wiki/d/u/EvilandHomophobicKnight)\ **Post date:** [September 8, 2026, 7:59pm UTC](https://undertale.wiki/d/t/the-king-has-a-piece-flaking-off-of-him-i-think/8860/51 "2026-09-08T19:59:53Z")
> [@Invidiatechdemo](#): > > It's just a cape without sleeves. Capes don't have sleeves tho??? ---
**Author:** ![EvilandHomophobicKnight](https://undertale.wiki/d/user_avatar/undertale.wiki/evilandhomophobicknight/32/25062_2.png) [@EvilandHomophobicKnight](https://undertale.wiki/d/u/EvilandHomophobicKnight)\ **Post date:** [September 8, 2026, 8:00pm UTC](https://undertale.wiki/d/t/the-king-has-a-piece-flaking-off-of-him-i-think/8860/52 "2026-09-08T20:00:37Z")
I'll check if I'm wrong ig but I have not seen any capes with sleeves ---
**Author:** ![Invidiatechdemo](https://undertale.wiki/d/user_avatar/undertale.wiki/invidiatechdemo/32/20100_2.png) [@Invidiatechdemo](https://undertale.wiki/d/u/Invidiatechdemo)\ **Post date:** [September 8, 2026, 8:01pm UTC](https://undertale.wiki/d/t/the-king-has-a-piece-flaking-off-of-him-i-think/8860/53 "2026-09-08T20:01:18Z")
The fashion dictionary begs to differ from looks...? It seems that capes having slits for arms counts as sleeves despite it usually being called sleeveless? It's weird. ![image](https://undertale.wiki/d/uploads/default/original/3X/5/e/5e3505ef427af27d6330635303936e90a6f02af0.jpeg) ---
**Author:** ![EvilandHomophobicKnight](https://undertale.wiki/d/user_avatar/undertale.wiki/evilandhomophobicknight/32/25062_2.png) [@EvilandHomophobicKnight](https://undertale.wiki/d/u/EvilandHomophobicKnight)\ **Post date:** [September 8, 2026, 8:03pm UTC](https://undertale.wiki/d/t/the-king-has-a-piece-flaking-off-of-him-i-think/8860/54 "2026-09-08T20:03:54Z")
Traditional capes were sleeveless, but there are modern ones with sleeves I don't see how that affects whether or not it's a cape though Mantles seem to be in a really similar situation ---
**Author:** ![Invidiatechdemo](https://undertale.wiki/d/user_avatar/undertale.wiki/invidiatechdemo/32/20100_2.png) [@Invidiatechdemo](https://undertale.wiki/d/u/Invidiatechdemo)\ **Post date:** [September 8, 2026, 8:05pm UTC](https://undertale.wiki/d/t/the-king-has-a-piece-flaking-off-of-him-i-think/8860/55 "2026-09-08T20:05:07Z")
Yup. Which does mean that the semantic argument about whether King's thing is a mantle or a cape is pointless when the definitions are ambiguous and can encapsulate both things, and King's garment has been called both. And most definitions would agree that it's both, maybe. :krisplat: ---
**Author:** ![DracoBaltoy\_II](https://undertale.wiki/d/letter_avatar_proxy/v4/letter/d/ccd318/32.png) [@DracoBaltoy\_II](https://undertale.wiki/d/u/DracoBaltoy_II)\ **Post date:** [September 8, 2026, 8:06pm UTC](https://undertale.wiki/d/t/the-king-has-a-piece-flaking-off-of-him-i-think/8860/56 "2026-09-08T20:06:38Z")
Yeah at this point it's pedantry. Toby said both because both can apply. (Also Toby said it so....) ---
**Author:** ![Invidiatechdemo](https://undertale.wiki/d/user_avatar/undertale.wiki/invidiatechdemo/32/20100_2.png) [@Invidiatechdemo](https://undertale.wiki/d/u/Invidiatechdemo)\ **Post date:** [September 8, 2026, 8:07pm UTC](https://undertale.wiki/d/t/the-king-has-a-piece-flaking-off-of-him-i-think/8860/57 "2026-09-08T20:07:49Z")
I do love pedantry, is the problem, but I hate when primary sources like fashion magazines go 'capes are sleeveless except when they are not, hope this helps \<3'. Net loss... :charajumpscare: But we proceed. ---
**Author:** ![Invidiatechdemo](https://undertale.wiki/d/user_avatar/undertale.wiki/invidiatechdemo/32/20100_2.png) [@Invidiatechdemo](https://undertale.wiki/d/u/Invidiatechdemo)\ **Post date:** [September 8, 2026, 8:09pm UTC](https://undertale.wiki/d/t/the-king-has-a-piece-flaking-off-of-him-i-think/8860/58 "2026-09-08T20:09:14Z")
Our top dictionary browsers have looked into it and the answer is 'the terms mantle and cape are so amorphous it's giving me a hernia, but I think it's fine'. :gersonspeen: ---
**Author:** ![DracoBaltoy\_II](https://undertale.wiki/d/letter_avatar_proxy/v4/letter/d/ccd318/32.png) [@DracoBaltoy\_II](https://undertale.wiki/d/u/DracoBaltoy_II)\ **Post date:** [September 8, 2026, 8:12pm UTC](https://undertale.wiki/d/t/the-king-has-a-piece-flaking-off-of-him-i-think/8860/59 "2026-09-08T20:12:00Z")
In other words... # ALWAYS BET ON KINGSHADOWMANTLE ---
**Author:** ![CYBERTALE](https://undertale.wiki/d/user_avatar/undertale.wiki/cybertale/32/18002_2.png) [@CYBERTALE](https://undertale.wiki/d/u/CYBERTALE)\ **Post date:** [September 9, 2026, 6:29am UTC](https://undertale.wiki/d/t/the-king-has-a-piece-flaking-off-of-him-i-think/8860/60 "2026-09-09T06:29:19Z")
I disagree about queen, I think that queen got worse because of the internet outage, and it's just a coincidence (or not) that it happened when the fountains started opening. [Previous page](https://undertale.wiki/d/t/the-king-has-a-piece-flaking-off-of-him-i-think/8860.md?page=2) [Next page](https://undertale.wiki/d/t/the-king-has-a-piece-flaking-off-of-him-i-think/8860.md?page=4)