# Is Dess the Lost Girl AND the Knight? **URL:** \ **Category:** Deltarune Discussion\ **Tags:** dess\_holiday, knight\ **Created:** [June 17, 2026, 8:36pm UTC](https://undertale.wiki/d/t/is-dess-the-lost-girl-and-the-knight/5485 "2026-06-17T20:36:53Z")\ **Posts on this page:** 20\ **Page:** 2
**Author:** ![PlayTheColorfulCreature](https://undertale.wiki/d/user_avatar/undertale.wiki/playthecolorfulcreature/32/2855_2.png) [@PlayTheColorfulCreature](https://undertale.wiki/d/u/PlayTheColorfulCreature)\ **Post date:** [June 19, 2026, 11:23am UTC](https://undertale.wiki/d/t/is-dess-the-lost-girl-and-the-knight/5485/22 "2026-06-19T11:23:20Z")
who tf is the antagonist of the game after that? ---
**Author:** ![PlayTheColorfulCreature](https://undertale.wiki/d/user_avatar/undertale.wiki/playthecolorfulcreature/32/2855_2.png) [@PlayTheColorfulCreature](https://undertale.wiki/d/u/PlayTheColorfulCreature)\ **Post date:** [June 19, 2026, 11:23am UTC](https://undertale.wiki/d/t/is-dess-the-lost-girl-and-the-knight/5485/23 "2026-06-19T11:23:40Z")
YOU STRAIGHT UP SAID THAT PEOPLE CAN'T CHANGE GENDERS ---
**Author:** ![Remex\_Remige](https://undertale.wiki/d/user_avatar/undertale.wiki/remex_remige/32/890_2.png) [@Remex\_Remige](https://undertale.wiki/d/u/Remex_Remige)\ **Post date:** [June 19, 2026, 11:48am UTC](https://undertale.wiki/d/t/is-dess-the-lost-girl-and-the-knight/5485/24 "2026-06-19T11:48:33Z")
If he dies at the end, then no one. If he dies earlier, the answer can still be no one if the Roaring is already happening. But I wouldn't mind if Kris ended up becoming the antagonist. ---
**Author:** ![PlayTheColorfulCreature](https://undertale.wiki/d/user_avatar/undertale.wiki/playthecolorfulcreature/32/2855_2.png) [@PlayTheColorfulCreature](https://undertale.wiki/d/u/PlayTheColorfulCreature)\ **Post date:** [June 19, 2026, 11:52am UTC](https://undertale.wiki/d/t/is-dess-the-lost-girl-and-the-knight/5485/25 "2026-06-19T11:52:03Z")
> [@Remex\_Remige](#): > > But I wouldn't mind if Kris ended up becoming the antagonist. Ok, agree to disagree (about the whole comment) ---
**Author:** ![Remex\_Remige](https://undertale.wiki/d/user_avatar/undertale.wiki/remex_remige/32/890_2.png) [@Remex\_Remige](https://undertale.wiki/d/u/Remex_Remige)\ **Post date:** [June 19, 2026, 12:00pm UTC](https://undertale.wiki/d/t/is-dess-the-lost-girl-and-the-knight/5485/26 "2026-06-19T12:00:56Z")
I disagree with it too. I don't think Rudy will actually die. > [@PlayTheColorfulCreature](#): > > Ah yes, Rudy, the character with the most foreshadowed death ever I was just accepting this for the sake of argument. ---
**Author:** ![EvilandHomophobicKnight](https://undertale.wiki/d/user_avatar/undertale.wiki/evilandhomophobicknight/32/25062_2.png) [@EvilandHomophobicKnight](https://undertale.wiki/d/u/EvilandHomophobicKnight)\ **Post date:** [June 19, 2026, 4:38pm UTC](https://undertale.wiki/d/t/is-dess-the-lost-girl-and-the-knight/5485/27 "2026-06-19T16:38:29Z")
I've already explained this thrice now. ---
**Author:** ![EvilandHomophobicKnight](https://undertale.wiki/d/user_avatar/undertale.wiki/evilandhomophobicknight/32/25062_2.png) [@EvilandHomophobicKnight](https://undertale.wiki/d/u/EvilandHomophobicKnight)\ **Post date:** [June 19, 2026, 4:39pm UTC](https://undertale.wiki/d/t/is-dess-the-lost-girl-and-the-knight/5485/28 "2026-06-19T16:39:17Z")
Besides, what does Disney having gay people in movies have to do with Dess Knight or my "misjudgement" that sex=gender? ---
**Author:** ![Allagainstthedemiurge](https://undertale.wiki/d/letter_avatar_proxy/v4/letter/a/7bcc69/32.png) [@Allagainstthedemiurge](https://undertale.wiki/d/u/Allagainstthedemiurge)\ **Post date:** [June 19, 2026, 5:42pm UTC](https://undertale.wiki/d/t/is-dess-the-lost-girl-and-the-knight/5485/29 "2026-06-19T17:42:30Z")
No, Chapters 3 & 4 proved that UNUSED is Dess, but not only that, but also that she is trapped there as of RIGHT NOW. Community just took the antler and baseball-shaped bait by Toby, there is no way that usage of Nightmare Knight in Lost Girl could be an implication that Dess is the Knight. I made my own Friend Knight theory, but I also see Papyrus and Rudy as plausible candidates. I don't believe that someone other than those three could be the Knight. ---
**Author:** ![PlayTheColorfulCreature](https://undertale.wiki/d/user_avatar/undertale.wiki/playthecolorfulcreature/32/2855_2.png) [@PlayTheColorfulCreature](https://undertale.wiki/d/u/PlayTheColorfulCreature)\ **Post date:** [June 19, 2026, 5:43pm UTC](https://undertale.wiki/d/t/is-dess-the-lost-girl-and-the-knight/5485/30 "2026-06-19T17:43:15Z")
WHERE ---
**Author:** ![Muddtile](https://undertale.wiki/d/user_avatar/undertale.wiki/muddtile/32/10873_2.png) [@Muddtile](https://undertale.wiki/d/u/Muddtile)\ **Post date:** [June 19, 2026, 6:45pm UTC](https://undertale.wiki/d/t/is-dess-the-lost-girl-and-the-knight/5485/31 "2026-06-19T18:45:38Z")
:friend::knight: ---
**Author:** ![Palladium\_standard](https://undertale.wiki/d/user_avatar/undertale.wiki/palladium_standard/32/25844_2.png) [@Palladium\_standard](https://undertale.wiki/d/u/Palladium_standard)\ **Post date:** [June 20, 2026, 9:18am UTC](https://undertale.wiki/d/t/is-dess-the-lost-girl-and-the-knight/5485/32 "2026-06-20T09:18:56Z")
> [@Remex\_Remige](#): > > I was just accepting this for the sake of argument. oh that's definetly a good motivation for disagreeing with something ---
**Author:** ![Vexodus](https://undertale.wiki/d/user_avatar/undertale.wiki/vexodus/32/11150_2.png) [@Vexodus](https://undertale.wiki/d/u/Vexodus)\ **Post date:** [June 21, 2026, 5:26am UTC](https://undertale.wiki/d/t/is-dess-the-lost-girl-and-the-knight/5485/33 "2026-06-21T05:26:17Z")
"the bait" you mean actually giving the community solid hints as to who the knight is so it's not completely out of left field? ---
**Author:** ![Palladium\_standard](https://undertale.wiki/d/user_avatar/undertale.wiki/palladium_standard/32/25844_2.png) [@Palladium\_standard](https://undertale.wiki/d/u/Palladium_standard)\ **Post date:** [June 21, 2026, 5:30am UTC](https://undertale.wiki/d/t/is-dess-the-lost-girl-and-the-knight/5485/34 "2026-06-21T05:30:49Z")
antlers are bait now guys definetly /j ---
**Author:** ![PlayTheColorfulCreature](https://undertale.wiki/d/user_avatar/undertale.wiki/playthecolorfulcreature/32/2855_2.png) [@PlayTheColorfulCreature](https://undertale.wiki/d/u/PlayTheColorfulCreature)\ **Post date:** [June 21, 2026, 3:29pm UTC](https://undertale.wiki/d/t/is-dess-the-lost-girl-and-the-knight/5485/35 "2026-06-21T15:29:30Z")
Absolute TV TIME ---
**Author:** ![EvilandHomophobicKnight](https://undertale.wiki/d/user_avatar/undertale.wiki/evilandhomophobicknight/32/25062_2.png) [@EvilandHomophobicKnight](https://undertale.wiki/d/u/EvilandHomophobicKnight)\ **Post date:** [June 23, 2026, 4:27am UTC](https://undertale.wiki/d/t/is-dess-the-lost-girl-and-the-knight/5485/36 "2026-06-23T04:27:46Z")
> [@EvilandHomophobicKnight](#): > > my "misjudgement" that sex=gender? This quote here pretty much explains it ---
**Author:** ![Palladium\_standard](https://undertale.wiki/d/user_avatar/undertale.wiki/palladium_standard/32/25844_2.png) [@Palladium\_standard](https://undertale.wiki/d/u/Palladium_standard)\ **Post date:** [June 23, 2026, 9:29am UTC](https://undertale.wiki/d/t/is-dess-the-lost-girl-and-the-knight/5485/37 "2026-06-23T09:29:19Z")
yeah that's misjudgement :johnmantle: ---
**Author:** ![Theorisation1](https://undertale.wiki/d/user_avatar/undertale.wiki/theorisation1/32/11898_2.png) [@Theorisation1](https://undertale.wiki/d/u/Theorisation1)\ **Post date:** [June 27, 2026, 9:03am UTC](https://undertale.wiki/d/t/is-dess-the-lost-girl-and-the-knight/5485/38 "2026-06-27T09:03:33Z")
Dess possession is a good theory ---
**Author:** ![PlayTheColorfulCreature](https://undertale.wiki/d/user_avatar/undertale.wiki/playthecolorfulcreature/32/2855_2.png) [@PlayTheColorfulCreature](https://undertale.wiki/d/u/PlayTheColorfulCreature)\ **Post date:** [June 27, 2026, 9:05am UTC](https://undertale.wiki/d/t/is-dess-the-lost-girl-and-the-knight/5485/39 "2026-06-27T09:05:14Z")
It still holds up after Ch5 imo ---
**Author:** ![Theorisation1](https://undertale.wiki/d/user_avatar/undertale.wiki/theorisation1/32/11898_2.png) [@Theorisation1](https://undertale.wiki/d/u/Theorisation1)\ **Post date:** [June 27, 2026, 9:08am UTC](https://undertale.wiki/d/t/is-dess-the-lost-girl-and-the-knight/5485/40 "2026-06-27T09:08:01Z")
Ik ---
**Author:** ![TheFlamingX](https://undertale.wiki/d/letter_avatar_proxy/v4/letter/t/94ad74/32.png) [@TheFlamingX](https://undertale.wiki/d/u/TheFlamingX)\ **Post date:** [June 27, 2026, 8:26pm UTC](https://undertale.wiki/d/t/is-dess-the-lost-girl-and-the-knight/5485/41 "2026-06-27T20:26:53Z")
Dess possession is the most killed theory ever and I'm going to make a blog post explaining why because it's so dead that an explanation's length would be unfitting of a comment. [Previous page](https://undertale.wiki/d/t/is-dess-the-lost-girl-and-the-knight/5485.md?page=1) [Next page](https://undertale.wiki/d/t/is-dess-the-lost-girl-and-the-knight/5485.md?page=3)