# ASGORE in Flower Man?

**URL:** <https://undertale.wiki/d/t/asgore-in-flower-man/6199>\
**Category:** Wiki Discussion\
**Tags:** leitmotifs, flower\_man\
**Created:** [July 6, 2026, 12:48am UTC](https://undertale.wiki/d/t/asgore-in-flower-man/6199 "2026-07-06T00:48:06Z")\
**Posts on this page:** 5\
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**Author:** ![MidwestAggron1](https://undertale.wiki/d/letter_avatar_proxy/v4/letter/m/4491bb/32.png) [@MidwestAggron1](https://undertale.wiki/d/u/MidwestAggron1)\
**Post date:** [July 6, 2026, 12:48am UTC](https://undertale.wiki/d/t/asgore-in-flower-man/6199/1 "2026-07-06T00:48:07Z")

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Posting here as well because I think I did so in the wrong place the first time. Apologies, new to wiki-ing in the modern era.

I might be crazy, but I'm pretty sure Flower Man has the ASGORE motif-- specifically, the first part of Bergentruckung.

Someone better at music theory should confirm this, but I think that the "Flower Man, Flower Man / With his heart in the sand" part of the song is just the first half of Bergentruckung with a different tempo. I'm 90% sure it's the same notes. Can someone who knows more about this sort of thing listen and confirm/deny?

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**Author:** ![Fusion14](https://undertale.wiki/d/user_avatar/undertale.wiki/fusion14/32/24044_2.png) [@Fusion14](https://undertale.wiki/d/u/Fusion14)\
**Post date:** [July 6, 2026, 12:53am UTC](https://undertale.wiki/d/t/asgore-in-flower-man/6199/2 "2026-07-06T00:53:57Z")

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uhh, you didnt.

is it okay if i flag your other post so mods can delete it? (the other post is basically a copy)

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**Author:** ![Galacta\_22](https://undertale.wiki/d/user_avatar/undertale.wiki/galacta_22/32/9321_2.png) [@Galacta\_22](https://undertale.wiki/d/u/Galacta_22)\
**Post date:** [July 6, 2026, 12:54am UTC](https://undertale.wiki/d/t/asgore-in-flower-man/6199/3 "2026-07-06T00:54:01Z")

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@Vexodus do yo thang

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**Author:** ![Vexodus](https://undertale.wiki/d/user_avatar/undertale.wiki/vexodus/32/11150_2.png) [@Vexodus](https://undertale.wiki/d/u/Vexodus)\
**Post date:** [July 6, 2026, 1:22am UTC](https://undertale.wiki/d/t/asgore-in-flower-man/6199/4 "2026-07-06T01:22:05Z")

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I can totally hear where you've gone wrong, in fact I hallucinated it on my intial listen, but nah.  
Bergen starts, goes up by 2 notes in the scale, then down by one. This is up by one and down by two.  
Don't worry though, this is one of the more sensible hallucinations.  
I've seen people claiming this to be wise words lmao

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**Author:** ![Palladium\_standard](https://undertale.wiki/d/user_avatar/undertale.wiki/palladium_standard/32/25844_2.png) [@Palladium\_standard](https://undertale.wiki/d/u/Palladium_standard)\
**Post date:** [July 12, 2026, 4:20pm UTC](https://undertale.wiki/d/t/asgore-in-flower-man/6199/5 "2026-07-12T16:20:18Z")

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But if it's sort of there, should it be listed, if people hear it enough?