# Are any of these 4 things other than Ralsei actually referred to as darkners? **URL:** \ **Category:** Wiki Discussion\ **Tags:** castle-town, darkners, dummy\ **Created:** [December 10, 2025, 6:49pm UTC](https://undertale.wiki/d/t/are-any-of-these-4-things-other-than-ralsei-actually-referred-to-as-darkners/2626 "2025-12-10T18:49:43Z")\ **Posts on this page:** 9\ **Page:** 1
**Author:** ![Volnar\_The\_Unforgiving](https://undertale.wiki/d/user_avatar/undertale.wiki/volnar_the_unforgiving/32/850_2.png) [@Volnar\_The\_Unforgiving](https://undertale.wiki/d/u/Volnar_The_Unforgiving)\ **Post date:** [December 10, 2025, 6:49pm UTC](https://undertale.wiki/d/t/are-any-of-these-4-things-other-than-ralsei-actually-referred-to-as-darkners/2626/1 "2025-12-10T18:49:43Z")
I’m not sure they have a place on this page, especially the dummy, I don’t think that’s alive. Also, does the category even actually abide by this definition? Not all of the characters on the page are referred to as darkners in general. Some, like Tao, are never referred to at all. Tao could be a lightner, or a machine, or anything, who knows. ![Screenshot (760)](https://undertale.wiki/d/uploads/default/original/2X/c/ce9ab3b39738dde1432b94e270c345e0a9f7e16a.png) ---
**Author:** ![PlayTheColorfulCreature](https://undertale.wiki/d/user_avatar/undertale.wiki/playthecolorfulcreature/32/2855_2.png) [@PlayTheColorfulCreature](https://undertale.wiki/d/u/PlayTheColorfulCreature)\ **Post date:** [December 10, 2025, 8:32pm UTC](https://undertale.wiki/d/t/are-any-of-these-4-things-other-than-ralsei-actually-referred-to-as-darkners/2626/2 "2025-12-10T20:32:55Z")
They're considered alive by the code, sooo ---
**Author:** ![Volnar\_The\_Unforgiving](https://undertale.wiki/d/user_avatar/undertale.wiki/volnar_the_unforgiving/32/850_2.png) [@Volnar\_The\_Unforgiving](https://undertale.wiki/d/u/Volnar_The_Unforgiving)\ **Post date:** [December 10, 2025, 9:40pm UTC](https://undertale.wiki/d/t/are-any-of-these-4-things-other-than-ralsei-actually-referred-to-as-darkners/2626/3 "2025-12-10T21:40:18Z")
First of all, that has no implications for the lore. Second of all, I highly doubt that applies to anything other than the dummy, considering you don’t even fight any of the other things I mentioned ---
**Author:** ![KockaAdmiralac](https://undertale.wiki/d/user_avatar/undertale.wiki/kockaadmiralac/32/5_2.png) [@KockaAdmiralac](https://undertale.wiki/d/u/KockaAdmiralac)\ **Post date:** [December 12, 2025, 10:06am UTC](https://undertale.wiki/d/t/are-any-of-these-4-things-other-than-ralsei-actually-referred-to-as-darkners/2626/4 "2025-12-12T10:06:18Z")
Yeah, I think that’s straining the definition of a character a bit. Could probably be removed until we get to restructuring the category listings. ---
**Author:** ![Volnar\_The\_Unforgiving](https://undertale.wiki/d/user_avatar/undertale.wiki/volnar_the_unforgiving/32/850_2.png) [@Volnar\_The\_Unforgiving](https://undertale.wiki/d/u/Volnar_The_Unforgiving)\ **Post date:** [December 12, 2025, 1:06pm UTC](https://undertale.wiki/d/t/are-any-of-these-4-things-other-than-ralsei-actually-referred-to-as-darkners/2626/5 "2025-12-12T13:06:59Z")
Okay. There’s also things like the 8-bit game characters on that page, and FRIEND. Should there be some sort of discussion of which characters to count as confirmed darkners? I don’t want to just remove things as I see fit. ---
**Author:** ![PlayTheColorfulCreature](https://undertale.wiki/d/user_avatar/undertale.wiki/playthecolorfulcreature/32/2855_2.png) [@PlayTheColorfulCreature](https://undertale.wiki/d/u/PlayTheColorfulCreature)\ **Post date:** [December 12, 2025, 5:11pm UTC](https://undertale.wiki/d/t/are-any-of-these-4-things-other-than-ralsei-actually-referred-to-as-darkners/2626/6 "2025-12-12T17:11:20Z")
Make a The Legend of Tenna/NPCs page or smth, and FRIEND is straight up everywhere atp ---
**Author:** ![Volnar\_The\_Unforgiving](https://undertale.wiki/d/user_avatar/undertale.wiki/volnar_the_unforgiving/32/850_2.png) [@Volnar\_The\_Unforgiving](https://undertale.wiki/d/u/Volnar_The_Unforgiving)\ **Post date:** [December 12, 2025, 5:23pm UTC](https://undertale.wiki/d/t/are-any-of-these-4-things-other-than-ralsei-actually-referred-to-as-darkners/2626/7 "2025-12-12T17:23:09Z")
That page already exists. This is not a discussion on which areas to list NPCs under, it’s a discussion on which NPCs to put in the darkners category. ---
**Author:** ![RabbitEarSquash](https://undertale.wiki/d/user_avatar/undertale.wiki/rabbitearsquash/32/3052_2.png) [@RabbitEarSquash](https://undertale.wiki/d/u/RabbitEarSquash)\ **Post date:** [December 19, 2025, 10:46pm UTC](https://undertale.wiki/d/t/are-any-of-these-4-things-other-than-ralsei-actually-referred-to-as-darkners/2626/8 "2025-12-19T22:46:50Z")
I'm curious. Where in the code does it implying they're alive? ---
**Author:** ![Volnar\_The\_Unforgiving](https://undertale.wiki/d/user_avatar/undertale.wiki/volnar_the_unforgiving/32/850_2.png) [@Volnar\_The\_Unforgiving](https://undertale.wiki/d/u/Volnar_The_Unforgiving)\ **Post date:** [December 20, 2025, 3:55am UTC](https://undertale.wiki/d/t/are-any-of-these-4-things-other-than-ralsei-actually-referred-to-as-darkners/2626/9 "2025-12-20T03:55:15Z")
I think it’s just because it’s an enemy that probably has HP or something The dummy is obviously not alive